Classical Canons in Rhetoric

Classical Canons in Rhetoric

Aristotle, Plato, Cicero, Augustine, Blair, Ridolfo and DeVoss

The five classical canons are invention (thinking of what to say), arrangement (saying it in the order you want to), style (saying it in the way you want to), memory (memorizing it), and delivery (conveying it to the audience).

Plato

Plato makes his views on memory clear in the Phaedrus. Memory is the most important facility to exercise. Delivering a speech from memory to an audience show more skill than writing one and reading it to them. Such delivery is boring, whereas the delivery of a memorized speech can be more exciting and dynamic because the orator is able to improvise more freely. Plato is against writing because he says it cripples memory.

 

Aristotle

In the Rhetoric, Aristotle only focuses on three canons: invention, arrangement, and style. For invention, he offers the general and special lines of argument (such as questions of conduct), five matters on which everyone debates (such as ways and means), the common topics (example, enthymeme, and maxim), and the 28 lines of proof (such as defining your terms) as resources from which an orator may draw in order to determine what to say. Aristotle also determines four parts for arrangement: introduction, thesis, proof, and conclusion; since the audience is the primary target of the oratory, they should be the deciding factor in how best to arrange those four parts to mirror their thought process. Finally, Aristotle argues that good style should be clear and appropriate; thus, its foundation is correctness.

Cicero

For Cicero, style is amplification: saying the same thing in 2-3 different ways by adding to, elaborating, or qualifying clauses. Delivery is also important. Cicero talks about how the orator must sound and move naturally while speaking, and not exaggerate his tone and/or body movements. They must train like the best actors in order to master using their body while speaking in a way that does not seem rehearsed or robotic.

Augustine

For Augustine, invention is not important because God will tell the preacher what to say. Style should be clear so that the congregation will be able to understand him. Memory and delivery are also important: the preacher should not read a pre-written sermon, but should instead trust that God will give him the right words to say at the right moment.

Blair

Blair also largely ignores invention, claiming that genius is far more important: in other words, writers and orators do not invent new ideas, but learn to manage them; therefore, they need the intelligence to be able to do so, not the ability to come up with new topics on which to write or speak. Blair argues that good style has perspicuity and ornament: it requires purity, propriety, and precision, which means words that belong to our language, selecting pure words, and distinctiveness and accuracy.

Ridolfo and DeVoss

With the prominence of writing over oratory, the canons of memory and delivery fell by the wayside because fewer people were orally presenting their rhetorical artifacts. However, with the rise of digital technologies (part of what Ong refers to as a period of secondary orality), the need for attention to delivery becomes apparent again (some refer to memory as the ability for our computers to store our compositions, but that seems to me like a pretty lame way to re-include memory). Ridolfo and DeVoss argue in “Composition for Recomposition” that because digital artifacts are often used as part(s) of new compositions, it is important for composers to consider their audience and how they may receive the composition; then they must consider how best to compose their artifact in order to have the intended impact (in in order to be potentially useful to those audience members who decide to take elements of composition and use them in their own artifacts in a process that Alexander Reid refers to as “Rip. Mix. Burn.”). Thus, delivery carries many of the same implications it always has, but in the digital realm it necessarily includes some new aspects, such as deciding where or if to place a video, image, sound clip, or other artifact that can be used in composition.

How I would answer a question on this theme

[This could also be an answer to an Aristotle’s Time Machine question]

I would spend the majority of the time tracing delivery through history, perhaps briefly touching on the other canons. Delivery has undergone the most interesting change from being a main part of the oral rhetorical tradition, to disappearing when writing came to the fore (because delivery mostly meant 12pt, Times New Roman font, on 8 ½ x 11 paper), to completely changing with the introduction of digital rhetoric. I briefly mentioned Reid above, but I could draw on him and Yancey as well as Ridolfo and DeVoss for a fruitful discussion of delivery in new media.

Purposes/Conceptions of Rhetoric

Purposes/Conceptions of Rhetoric

Plato: Rhetoric is “the art of winning the soul by discourse.” Although technically, Plato is referring to dialectic (the Socratic dialogue), not rhetoric. In fact, Plato distrusts rhetoric because he thinks it misleads the soul. Instead, two people should engage in a dialogue and work together to correct error and discover truth.

Aristotle: Rhetoric is “the faculty of discovering in any particular case all of the available means of persuasion.” As such, his Rhetoric outlines many of those “available means” in order to help the orator train.

Quintilian: “Oratory is the art of speaking well.” It’s also being a good person (“good man speaking well”). He also believes that rhetoric and grammar should be united because they complement each other. The good orator invents on the spot, but has many examples and precedents memorized for instant recall.

Cicero: Rhetoric is “speech designed to persuade.” He also talks about legal oratory leads to advancement in Rome. Cicero also unites the study of rhetoric and philosophy; both need each other in order to be useful and effective. True skill in oratory comes from the combination of natural talent and learned skill. Eloquence is the most important aspect of oratory? There are three purposes of rhetoric: pleasing, teaching, moving to action. Three levels of style: plain, middle, grand.

Augustine: Rhetoric is preaching God’s word to a congregation. Clearness is more important than eloquence. There are three purposes (taken from Cicero) and three levels of style (inspired by Cicero): subdued, temperate, and grand. Also, there are only three subjects of oratory: justice, holiness, and a good life. Like Cicero and Quintilian, Augustine also believes that the orator must be virtuous.

George Campbell: Rhetoric is “that art or talent by which discourse is adapted to its end. The four ends of discourse are to enlighten the understanding, please the imagination, move the passion, and influence the will.

I.A. Richards: Rhetoric is the study of misunderstanding and its remedies; the goal of rhetoric is to learn so much about words that they will tell us how our minds work. He calls for us to renounce the view that words are only their meaning and that discourse is only the composition of those meanings. Most words change meanings in different contexts; thus, no word can be judged good/bad or correct/incorrect in isolation (interinanimation of words).

Kenneth Burke: “Wherever there is persuasion, there is rhetoric, and wherever there is rhetoric, there is meaning.” Rhetoric is winning an argument at (nearly) all costs. Anything written for a purpose with an audience in mind. Identification is a way of enacting persuasion, not just gaining audience assent.

Wayne Booth: Rhetoric “includes all forms of communication short of physical violence, even such gestures as raising an eyebrow or giving the finger.” He specifically discusses the rhetoric of assent, which he defines as coming into an argument prepared to accept any good reasons, rather than coming in with a neutral or antagonistic attitude.

James Crosswhite: A rhetoric of reason has the task of explaining how reasoning can have effect/force, while forgoing violence and furthering respect.

George Kennedy: Rhetoric is the art of effective expression: it is mental and emotional energy. To Kennedy, rhetoric is almost equivalent to communication; all communication is rhetorical. Even animals can engage in rhetoric.

Ethics in Rhetoric

Ethics in Rhetoric

Weaver, Burke, Plato, Cicero, Quintilian Booth

Before one can discuss the ethics of rhetoric, one must first define what “ethical” and “unethical” rhetoric is. Ethical rhetoric refers to rhetoric that searches for or reveals the truth; it is not deceptive and works toward the greater good of the people. On the other hand, unethical rhetoric denies the existence of a truth; it is concerned with persuasion for selfish ends or for the sake of persuasion itself.

 

Plato

Though Plato believed that there is no such thing as a good rhetorician, he explains his ideal orator as one who will help those around him reach truth; he will not use rhetoric to persuade to belief or to distract from truth, but will use it as a tool to find or reveal knowledge through Socratic dialogue. In the Gorgias, Plato’s Socrates states that there is both a false and a true knowledge, but the greatest evil is false opinion. Thus, he implies that any rhetoric that propagates this false opinion is unethical because it keeps the listener from truth. In fact, the best rhetoric will be used only to engender justice and remove injustice, breed temperance and cut off licentiousness, and produce virtue and expel vice; the best orators change citizens from worse to better. Any other rhetoric or rhetorician does a disservice to the people. Plato distrusts rhetoric, but his commitment to finding truth aligns him with a universal ethic, not really an ethics of rhetoric. However, his notions pave the way for future ethical rhetoricians.

 

Quintilian/ Cicero

Quintilian believes that rhetoric is virtuous because a good orator must be a virtuous person (“good man speaking well”); an immoral person could never be a rhetorician because they are deficient in wisdom, distracted with cares and remorse, and don’t have authority on virtue/morality. Quintilian appears ot be arguing for an ethical rhetoric. Whenever possible, the orator should argue the truth; however, when such is not possible, s/he may argue what is like truth, or the closest thing to it. Later, he states that while an orator should not lead an audience away from truth, sometimes the orator may be justified in misleading the audience when it is in their best interests. Here, Quintilian strays from the purely ethical rhetoric he originally propagates because he allows for opportunities for the orator to lead the audience astray; however, he maintains an ethical stance because he specifies that this can only happen when it will be to the benefit of the audience, and not to the orator.

Cicero follows from Quintilian’s notion of a virtuous orator: the “complete orator” not only upholds his own dignity by remaining honorable, but he also works toward the safety and security of his own country. Cicero also devised the term “doctus orator” for the learned orator who knows everything—the good, true, and beautiful—and works to show them to his audience in order to evoke conviction. An orator cannot be misleading, but Cicero also acknowledges that orators deal with the uncertain and therefore may have no grasp of their subject; thus, they may be unintentionally misleading. Cicero also acknowledges the importance of audience in oratory: the orator must adapt their speaking to the crowd, but they should remain genuine and not put on an act.

Both Quintilian and Cicero support an ethical rhetorician, but acknowledge that rhetoric itself can go awry in practice. The rhetorician should not intentionally mislead, both argue, but sometimes s/he may need to do so in order to protect the people of the city. Likewise, the orator must adapt to the crowd’s subjectivity, so the orator may not be able to directly address truth but would need to instead speak something as like to truth as possible, again for their best interests. As such, neither Quintilian nor Cicero promote a fully ethical rhetoric that always supports the truth, but it seems like they are realistic in acknowledging that sometimes the best way to promote the truth is to promote something like it for the good of the audience.

 

Burke

In A Rhetoric of Motives, Burke coined the term “identification” to refer to any instance in which a speaker aligns his or her values with the audience’s in order to maximize persuasion, whether sincerely or not. Such identification causes the audience to respond emotionally to the speaker; the rapport the speaker creates with the listeners causes them to trust and believe him or her more readily because, when a speaker identifies him or herself with another, they are “substantially one” with each other. In other words, when A identifies with B, to use Burke’s example, A and B are substantially the same at the intersection of that identification but each “remains unique, an individual locus of motives.” When a rhetorician can achieve this level of simultaneous substantiation and consubstantiation through identification, Burke argues that he or she is at his or her most persuasive: “a speaker persuades an audience by the use of stylistic identifications… to establish a rapport” (1340). However, Burke acknowledges that this moment of identification could be completely fabricated. The speaker could tell the audience what they want to hear just so he or she can evoke that emotional response and win them over, which leads to a distortion of any possible truth. Burke does not caution against this deception; he is more concerned with the possibility the moment of identification can create.

While discussing identification and persuasion, Burke is more concerned with the possibilities of persuasion and how one can use identification to achieve it successfully. Though he points out that the purpose of identification is to cause “the audience to identify itself with the speaker’s interests” (1340), and that this identification can sometimes be misleading or untruthful, he does not caution against using identification as a means to persuasion. As such, Burke is not concerned with ethics or truth; he instead supports the use of rhetoric in order to win an argument or successfully persuade an audience with little regard for truth.

 

Weaver

Weaver does not refer directly to “identification” in the Burkean sense, but he comes close to it. He explains that, since it goes beyond logic and appeals to a person’s emotions, rhetoric must take into account the audience and how they react subjectively to their hopes and fears. Thus, Weaver echoes Aristotle when he states that before a speaker can decide with which aspect of his/her audience to identify, s/he must first take stock of the audience and decide how best to appeal to them. It seems at first that Weaver is supporting the same potentially unethical rhetoric as Burke, but his later arguments clarify that he is very concerned with an ethics of rhetoric.

Weaver is concerned with the ethical responsibilities of rhetoric. He explains that the moment we speak, we have given incentive to other people for them to look at the world in the same way that we do. He acknowledges that this incentive can be the source of a lot of power to affect people both for good and for ill. Weaver aligns himself with Quintilian’s notion that the true orator is a good man speaking well. Weaver follows in Plato’s footsteps in that he also believes rhetoric can be a way to find truth. He also states in “The Phaedrus and the Nature of Rhetoric” that rhetoric at its truest seeks to show people better versions of themselves in order to perfect humanity, thus highlighting his belief that rhetoric carries with it an ethical responsibility. Weaver is against using rhetoric for deception, but believes rhetoric has the power to change the world for the better. He appears to most accurately align himself with a purely ethical rhetoric.

 

Booth

Booth indirectly references Plato’s Socratic dialogue when he laments that rhetoricians do not engage in dialectic in order to find a common ground; he places a high value on two people discoursing together in a way that allows them to concede to good reasons. In this way, he supports engaging in the ideal Socratic dialogue, allowing each side an equal opportunity to express its point and deliberate on the opposition’s in order to arrive at some form of ultimate truth. Similarly, Booth calls for these dialogues to work as tools that will allow the discoursers “to rely on our common sense” in order to “trust whatever standards of validation our reasonings together lead us to” (1499). In other words, Booth is proposing a rhetoric of assent wherein we must grant credence to what people agree on unless you have strong reason not to; indeed, one should approach a rhetorical moment with assent instead of doubt, thus allowing themselves to be persuaded by good reasons. Like Weaver, Booth acknowledges that when we speak we influence the world. He argues that because we make each other through language, we should do it well by not only allowing our minds to change for each other’s good reasons but also by not misleading each other.

To this end, Booth proposes that rhetoricians converse until they can establish a common ground upon which they might be able to unify the field of rhetoric while also eliminating unethical rhetoric. He concludes by expressing his pessimism that this “revitalized rhetoric” will ever happen (let alone that it will ever successfully eradicate deceit and disagreement), but he argues that we must at least try to find commonality in order to unify the field. Booth proposes an ethical rhetoric similar to Plato’s whereby people engage in dialogue in order to arrive at the truth together. However, Booth is less concerned with finding truth, and more concerned with the process of inquiry as constructing each other’s subjectivities.

 

If I had to answer a question on this theme

I would start by clarifying how I define ethical/unethical rhetoric, then explain how the various theorists address the issue. One key thing to bring up is that each theorist acknowledges ethics as a gray area. Cicero and Qunitilian admit that there are moments when rhetoric may need to skew the truth (but only when it’s for the audience’s best interests); Burke sees the end goal of rhetoric to be winning an argument and identification as a way of doing so, whether sincerely or not; Weaver most explicitly calls for an ethical, responsible rhetoric, but even he acknowledges that the rhetorician may need to adapt him/herself to the audience; and Booth outlines a plan for a unified, ethical rhetoric, but expresses pessimism that it will ever actually happen.

Locations of Rhetoric

Mapping Locations of Rhetoric

 

Aristotle/Plato/Cicero: Oral

Dillon/Bazerman: Writing

Plato and Augustine: Anti-Writing

Bolter: New Media/Digital

Ong: Orality vs. Literacy

 

 

Oral Rhetoric

Plato: dialectic

  • Rhetoric should be a dialogue between two people that searches for the ultimate truth
    • It is not used to persuade, but only to correct error and help the other person come to their own internal realization about the nature of truth
      • Persuasion to belief is a bad kind of rhetoric that manipulates
    • The dialectic is between one person who knows the truth (a philosopher) and someone he is trying to help discover it as well
  • Oral presentations must acknowledge the counterpart’s “soul” and adapt to it

 

Aristotle: rhetoric is the counterpart to dialectic

  • Rhetorical study focuses on the modes of persuasion, which is a form of demonstration
    • He provides the first comprehensive account of how a rhetorician can be effective orally
    • He focuses on the orator balancing ethos, pathos, and logos in his demonstrations
    • He gives general and specific lines of argument
    • He lists five matters on which everyone deliberates: ways and means, peace and war, national defense, food supply, and legislation
    • He distinguishes between artistic and inartistic proofs
      • Artistic: proofs we can create – ethos, pathos, logos
      • Inartistic: those proofs available to the orator – contracts, laws, oaths, testimony
    • He lists 28 lines of proof
    • He lists three different genres in which rhetoric performs: deliberative (future), forensic (past), epideictic (praise and blame)
  • In making a speech, he says to study three points:
    • Producing means of persuasion
    • Style must be clear an appropriate
      • It is important to say what we ought as we ought
    • Arrangement
  • He also focuses on delivery
    • Pay attention to volume of sound
    • Be aware of the modulation of pitch
    • Be aware of the rhythm at which you are speaking
  • Unlike Plato, Aristotle allows for rhetoric to be practiced when one speaker persuades others to agree with him (instead of dialectic)
    • But like Plato, Aristotle believes the orator should be backed by truth
  • Good orality is adapted to the audience
    • The orator will present different proofs, etc and arrange and deliver a speech differently for different audiences

 

Cicero: imitate good models

  • He wants aspiring orators to practice actual lawsuits
    • He specifies that the common topics must be grounded in social custom to be useful
      • They should focus on winning the audience’s favor
    • As far as delivery, orators should match thoughts to words
      • IE: everyday talk is “dignified”/plain style, or a middle ground between the two
    • True skill in oratory comes from a combination of natural talent and education
    • The “complete” orator upholds his own dignity (Quintilian’s “good man, speaking well”), but also the safety of his own country
    • “Doctus orator” = the good orator must have a wide background in many subjects
      • His harmonious, graceful style must be backed by knowledge and thought
        • This is different from Plato and Aristotle, who think the orator must be backed by truth
      • Wise thinking and elegant speaking are linked
        • Cicero seems to indirectly address Plato when he points out that philosophy is not the only aspect of good rhetoric – wide culture is needed too
        • In other words, one must be keen to both find the probable answer to the problem, but also to give it in an eloquent manner
      • Importantly, good orators realize that speaking in public is difficult
        • They are able to admit that a speech does not always work as well as they had hoped
        • They are fearful/nervous before a speech
      • The art of speaking relies on: proof of allegation, winning favor, and rousing the required impulses

 

Writing

Cicero: Writing is useful

  • He thinks writing is how you develop skill in oratory
    • This is how one learns eloquence
    • One can also perfect their arrangement

 

Dillon: focuses on the differences in writing between scientists and scholars

  • They are important because learning them is a traditional purpose of schooling
  • Discursive terrain is not neutral or inert
    • It is like a culture – it embodies practices and values that conflict, not only within other disciplines, but within the discipline itself
  • For Aristotle, orality was a demonstration – for Dillon, (academic) writing presents probable arguments, not demonstrations
  • Disciplinary discourse is personal and engages the writer’s and reader’s interests, biases, and desires, even if it pretends not to
  • Dillon wants rhetoricians to define rhetoric as the study of discursivity in general, encompassing both oral and written texts

 

Bazerman: must consider social and intellectual endeavors of a discipline in order to write in it

  • Focuses on the importance of written genres
    • Students must understand and rethink rhetorical choices embedded in each generic habit to master the genre
    • Even though genre can stabilize the rhetorical situation and simplify the rhetorical choices to be made, the writer loses control of the writing when s/he does not understand the genre
  • A writer’s self-consciousness about the power of words allows them to wield that power
    • The writer is self-conscious and reflexive by simply knowing what they are doing
    • Writing is choice making – it is evaluating the options
    • This seems to counter the Ancients’ orality – they focus on orators having immediately at their disposal all of the means of persuasion (Aristotle) and knowledge they need (Cicero), but Bazerman seems to assert that writers only need awareness of their potential power in order to be able to wield any of those things as needed
  • The writer sees human consciousness created from nothing
    • Feels responsible to participate in creation of the human world
    • The choices a writer makes shape the contributions to knowledge
  • Writing has the capacity to be citational
    • It draws on and ties together other writers, readers, prior texts, and experienced reality to constitute knowledge
    • Oral rhetoric can do this to, but not to as great of a degree given that it has not been recorded

 

 

Anti-Writing

Plato does not trust writing

  • He thinks it leads to forgetfulness because writers are not practicing their memories
    • Writing discourages memory, one of the five rhetorical canons
      • (Indeed, it seems as if that particular canon has fallen out of style since the rise of writing)
    • He also points out that written word cannot defend itself like spoken word can
      • Written word never changes, but spoken word (ideally) happens in a dialogue, so it could be defended and/or clarified by the speaker

Augustine: sermons must be memorized, not delivered from writing

  • Prayer will help the preacher learn rhetorical skill
    • Praying is more important than oratorical skill
  • Writing is not necessary
  • Information must be presented in several forms – writing inhibits this

 

New Media/Digital Rhetoric

  • Bolter: still talking about writing, but now it’s in a new location – digital
    • Most people use computers as the primary medium for communication
  • The impermanence and changeability of text in digital technology reduces the distance between author and reader, and even makes the reader into an author
  • Ideally, the digital text can tailor itself to each reader’s needs
    • This is a huge revolution that mixes orality and writing
    • The product is still written, but the author is able to read his/her audience in a way that can accommodate them instantly (in much the same way an orator would be able to read the audience and adjust his tone, volume, subject, etc)
  • Writing no longer needs to linear – it can be rhizomatic
  • Digital writing can make use of remediation: this is where a newer medium takes the place of an older one, borrowing and reorganizing the characteristics of writing in the older medium and reforming its cultural space
    • It is both homage and rivalry
  • Hypertext: each topic may participate in several paths – reader chooses which to take
    • This means the reader can be a sort of author that “writes” the text they are reading as they choose which path to take
    • Bazerman says writing is all about the writer making conscious choices
    • Bolter here suggests that it is also about the reader making conscious or unconscious choices about how to progress through the text
      • This means the reader can become an “adversary” by making the text in a way the author did not intend

 

Orality and Literacy

Ong: the literate mind is analytic/objective – the oral mind is aggregative/traditional/attached to context

  • Writing makes it easier to see the logical relationships and to hierarchicalize ideas
  • Writing enacts more genres than orality because it allows the “speaker” to maintain a train of thought longer, go back and revise, etc

 

If I had to answer a question on this theme:

I would start with Plato, Aristotle, and Cicero to establish some of their commonalities: all three focus on developing the skill necessary to be successful in oral speaking. Plato focuses on how good rhetoric is used in a dialectic where one person (a philosopher) helps another discover Truth for themselves through correction of error. Aristotle sees rhetoric as one orator coming to an oratory with all of the available means of persuasion (proofs, lines of argument, delivery, style, arrangement, etc) under his belt to be used at a given moment to persuade an audience to truth. Cicero thinks good oratory is a combination of natural skill and talent, and that the orator must be well-versed in both philosophy and wide culture. All three focus on the necessity of reading and responding to their audience.

Next, I would move on and contrast Plato and Augustine’s distaste for writing with Ong’s notion that literacy changed the way people think and gave rise to more genres. Plato distrusts writing because he thinks it decays memory. Augustine dislikes writing because he thinks prayer is more important (God will provide the necessary words at the right moment) and writing a speech ahead of time would damage the spontaneity of delivery. Ong contradicts both by pointing out that literacy allows anyone to think more analytically and objectively. Oral cultures are more aggregative, traditional, and dependent on context because they are not used to being able to step back and analyze their situations. Literature cultures are able to see logical relationships and hierarchicalize their ideas. They are able to write in more genres (Aristotle only lists three in his oral culture).

Next, I would discuss the importance of writing to developing knowledge. I probably wouldn’t bring up Dillon as I had originally planned; he’s not very interesting or as relevant as I thought. I would, however, focus on Bazerman and his notion that writing is key to developing human knowledge. Writing’s power comes from the writer realizing their power and wielding it in writing. Unlike the ancient orators (who needed to have immediately at their disposal all available means of persuasion [Aristotle] and the knowledge they may need [Cicero]) the writer is able to draw on these resources when/if they see fit; they only need to be aware of their potential in Bazerman’s construction. Bazerman’s notions of genres also fit nicely with Ong’s notion that writing changes the way people think. Now that there are more genres available, writers need to be aware of them. Writers must understand and rethink their rhetorical choices in order to master genre. The writer will lose control of his/her writing if s/he does not understand the genre. Genre, then, becomes much more important in written rhetorical situations than oral simply because there are more of them (than Aristotle’s three).

Finally, I would close with a discussion of Bolter’s notions of digital writing in order to discuss how it revolutionizes both written and oral discourse. Digital rhetoric is based in writing and so is able to draw on all of the genres and conventions of writing. However, it also hearkens back to orality. Ong mentions that the move from orality to literacy resulted in the ability to think hierarchically, but Bolter argues that hypertext, a digital means of writing, deconstructs hierarchicalization because the reader can choose which path s/he wants to take. Just as Bazerman’s writer makes conscious choices in writing, Bolter’s reader makes conscious or unconscious choices when moving through digital texts, thus becoming a sort of author. This collapses the differences between readers and authors, while also allowing readers more power to be adversaries since they can read/write the text in ways the author did not intend.